NEW Second installment of Internet
Segment: update for June 15, 2010:
Update on our Court Action:
This is our second installment of information regarding
our court case. We have received extra phone calls from victims asking
for information and or direct help. The requests are here answered for those
that asked the questions and for those who may want to know. First we are
not perfect, nor attorneys and financially unable to do more than what is
presented here. One of the questions asked was, would we help with another
persons court case; we cannot give legal advise as it is considered illegal,
we are going to give adequate review of our own complaint to give the victims
an insight as to how to handle their own as a parallel. The facts of how
a victim should approach the problem of formulating their own complaint is
a relative issue, as we believe as we have said on the first installment
that a complaint should be entered into a State Court and not a Federal Court.
The reason for that is mentioned in the first installment.
A second question was regarding FOIA and State
FOILS, where the specifics were how to go about preparing an FOIA/FOIL. The
first issue to face is that the authorities both state and federal are allowed
to lie and keep the information you may be seeking where it is about yourself
secret. Because whether you're under human experimentation or some form of
new bizarre form of trustee prisoner, you would be refused on the basis that
an ongoing lawful investigation was being performed upon the person. As well
from our own efforts to FOIL and FOIA the information being sought will not
be given unless it is about a generic topic. Such topics must specify a time
period and the actual information requested must be about some aspect that
is not directly connected to the information you seek but is possible from
the generic information to cause a perception that such as what you truly
seek is likely to be present. All in all the only way to get information
about ones self is to FOIA/FOIL and then subsequently appeal and upon getting
nothing still then to sue in a court for an answer. However evidence
showing standing and harm will be needed to get the court to find for the
Plaintiffs and order an answer from the Defendants. This information is what
we have learned from personally sending out FOIA's/FOIL's.
In our first installment we made it clear that attorneys
will not help us and we presume will not help any attack victim, due to the
fact the attacks are being done under law, however they are unconstitutional.
We are "Pro Se" as a necessity, because lawyers will not touch this kind
of problem; until someone establishes case law by winning.
Now our Court update for June 15, 2010 is:
The Court is currently hearing Defendants and Plaintiffs
Motions. The Defendants always ask for a dismissal and have entered
a Motion for dismissal, we the Plaintiffs Debbie and John have entered a
cross motion to counter the Defendants Motion, that we believe is more than
adequate for discounting and mooting the Defendants motion based on law.
Therefore we are currently awaiting the outcome of the Justices decision
in this most important matter. The decision by the Justice regarding
those motions is set for mid-July and neither Defendants or us Plaintiffs,
Debbie and John are required to attend, so far as we know at this present
time. Our complaint asks that all New Yorkers who have been experimented
on without their knowledge or consent must be notified by Defendants being
New York authorities, when and if we win our case. No public hearing
is scheduled at this time.
Recent emails from victims about New York State
Legislative Bill A6665C Gottfried (MS) -- Prohibits participation in torture
and improper treatment of prisoners by health care professionals information
of New York State Legislative Bills to prohibit Physicians involving themselves
in harsh investigations, does not benefit electronic attack victims.
IN OUR COMPLAINT WE ILLUSTRATE WE ARE LEGALLY SANCTIONED UNCONSTITUTIONALLY
BY NYS AUTHORITIES TO BE EXPOSED TO EGREGIOUS TREATMENT.
The following is John Mecca's and Deborah Lamb's
analysis based on NYS Law of the text of the Bill 4495--A, that shows in
simple terms the true purpose and meaning of the NYS Bill; “PROHIBITING PARTICIPATION
IN TORTURE AND IMPROPER TREATMENT OF PRISONERS BY HEALTH CARE PROFESSIONALS”.
Where the Bills definition of "Prisoner" means any person who is subject
to punishment, detention, incarceration, interrogation, intimidation or coercion.
1.) This Bill is to a great degree for the purpose of removing linkage
of liability, of NYS, that the State not be held liable for the actions of
medical personnel whom engage in aiding harsh and egregious treatment; is
by the Bill implied to be applied on a case by case basis and is not a blanket
statement for all medical personnel. Nor intended as a Bill for indicating
criminal activity by medical authorities.
2.) In essence the Bill is an unconstitutional effort of the NYS legislature
to have on their books a law that places responsibility for wrong doing by
medical personnel upon them alone, and further that the law by its wording
leaves the medical personnel responsible to prove where sued that they had
substantiation of adequate legal sanction, from whatever authority they operated
under; such proof necessary for a medical practitioner to obtain from the
authority they acted under has intrinsic barriers at present under for example
Federal FISA and other authorities such as Military Tribunals. For example
Guantanamo Internees are not protected under the CAT Act due to the U.S.
State Department having claimed exemption of that act and other restrictions
such as those under the Geneva Convention, by the authorities of the State
Department claiming allowance to contravene those international and other
agreements and laws through the legal stricture of “Lex Specialis”, in legal
theory and practice, is a doctrine relating to the interpretation of laws,
and can apply in both domestic and international law contexts. The doctrine
states that a law governing a specific subject matter (lex specialis) overrides
a law which only governs general matters (lex generalis).
3.) By the laws wording, it does not therefore actually prohibit medical
personnel from engaging in aiding harsh and similar treatment where legally
sanctioned, nor does it encompass or prohibit pain and suffering caused by
human research or experimentation. Human experimentation is not an issue
covered by this Bill, except that the Bill excludes pain and suffering as
an issue where they were caused from NYS waiver of consent human experimentation
or research. Therefore the Bill does infer sanction of legitimacy of NYS
waiver of consent human experimentation or research to cause pain and suffering.
4.) The NYS law does not state that there is a criminal penalty for
medical personnel, by there not being any mention of any penalty, is inferring
that it is merely a reportable condition of a medical personnel's activity,
which may result in some peer review.
5.) In the Bill there is no mention of addendum to criminal law, as
a further indication there is no criminal penalty implied. And how could
there be any criminal penalty, where the higher Federal authorities have
laws for virtual torture and harsh treatment that sanction such activities
to that which the NYS Bill decries.
6.) The Bill implies without qualification that NYS authorities themselves
cannot be involved with virtual torture and harsh treatment and that such
lack of text qualification prohibiting NYS authorities as a meaning of implied
restriction of NYS authorities, is wholly mitigated by the existence of the
vague waiver of consent human experiment and research laws, which can enable
use of pain and suffering as apart of an experiment or research. Therefore
by the laws wording, it does not therefore actually prohibit authorities
or medical personnel from engaging or in aiding harsh and similar egregious
treatment where legally sanctioned as such laws allowing sanction exist in
7.) The Bill essentially is used as a vehicle to unconstitutionally
quantify persons who are ill treated inside or outside of New York by medical
authorities or NYS authorities as without their guaranteed NYS CONSTITUTIONS
CIVIL RIGHTS of due process, freedom of speech, freedom of religion and other
rights. This is done by the qualification that such abuses by authorities
are as can be understood from the text of the law are not open to criminal
8.) The Bill is an unconstitutional extension and subsequent unconstitutional
extension as a prejudice against any person egregiously effected by NYS medical
personnel, accommodated by the unconstitutional acceptance in a breech of
New Yorkers civil rights that enable unconstitutional acts by Federal or
even NYS authorities to be considered separable as to the liability of NYS
where in the Bill the state seeks to sever its liability as regards egregious
actions of medical authorities and is wholly conflicting with the scope,
meaning and purpose of not only New Yorkers Constitutions Civil Rights but
also of other states constitutions Civil Rights and some would argue is in
conflict even with the U.S. Constitution where honest legal authorities were
9.) All TI's as persons whom are being attacked face possible negative
influence by this Bill in context of: (a) the unconstitutional definitions
the NY legislature invented to protect NYS from liability (b) and the unconstitutional
holding by the NY legislature of egregious acts by licensed and other authorities
as not actionable for criminal charges and, (c) it is unconstitutional for
the NYS to imply no criminal penalty where the reason is to unconstitutionally
alleviate NYS of liability as to the acts of their licensed or otherwise controlled
medical professionals, as it is a perversion of the law. Such that
upon authorities or medical personnel coming to light in the discovery phase
of a complaint, could have such legislation enable offending defendants
to claim that New York State and hence its authorities are free and clear
from liability except as to minor infraction and that could result in pain
and suffering not being allowed as issues of intent by defendants and
therefore such pain and suffering as liability could be evaded by New York
State authorities and New York State.
10.) In summation this Bill is slickly worded, as it decreases our
NYS Civil Rights as sovereign people to prevent liability not only of New
York and its New York authorities, but also its medical personnel as well.
11.) The Bill needs to be opposed and not embraced.
The Bill if read carefully is an effort by the NYS
legislature to prevent News York States liability if a physician is sued
by a victim for having been involved with torture or ill treatment of a person.
As well the Bill CLICK here <http://public.leginfo.state.ny.us/menugetf.cgi>
check full text, summary and enter the numbers S04495A up will come the full
text and read carefully you will see the legislature is providing legal loopholes
for them to allow physicians as NY licensed medical practitioners to act
to do torture, but that the new legislation holds NY free from being held
liable and also NY does not say that those who chose to do the deed will
be held criminally liable, just that NY will not face liability and therefore
could not be sued. Not sued at least if the wording is inadequate, the law
itself is unconstitutional to sanction the act of participation in torture
or harsh treatment anyway. Additionally the legislation provides another
loophole that legally sanctioned actions of whatever authority are not covered,
they could be Nazi Doctor Joseph Mengele research and experiments under wavier
of consent human experimentation available under public laws of NY. So what
is the legislation, it is an unconstitutional construction releasing physicians
from adhering to the new law and frees NY from liability where such New York
medical authorities involved with ill treatment of a person may be taking
place inside or outside of NY jurisdiction. To sum up, victims and activists
who care, should start a letter writing campaign to have the final Bills
draft scrapped and that the true issues of Peoples rights be addressed, by
espousing that NY have a policy that physicians offenses whether under color
of law or not should be criminal offenses. That the NY State must not be
allowed to state in law, well if you want to be involved with torture NY
physician you can but you are not sanctioned to do so by NY, that is NY saying
the people the physician is acting upon to aid torture or harsh treatment
have no rights and must be countered by email, mail, phone calls and faxes
to say: “SCRAP NYS Senator Duanes BILL S04495A” it's unconstitutional under
the Civil Rights of New Yorkers CONSTITUTION to dilute New Yorkers rights.
Below is an excerpt from the tragic Bill, notice
the last sentence in bold text, which is a blatant loophole for a physician
to ignore the prohibition on torture the Bill pretends to enforce.
§ 22. Participation
in torture or improper treatment of prisoners by
9 health care professionals. 1. Definitions.
As used in this section, the
10 terms "torture" and "improper treatment" shall
be interpreted in accord-
11 ance with applicable international treaties,
principles and standards as
12 well as the decisions, observations and recommendations
of the corre-
13 sponding interpreting bodies. However, for the
purposes of this section,
14 it shall not be an element of either
"torture" or "improper treatment"
15 that such acts be committed by a government
or non-government actor,
16 entity, or official; under color
of law; or not under color of law. As
17 used in this section, unless the context
clearly requires otherwise, the
18 following terms have the following meanings:
( LAMB AND MECCA REMARK; THE ABOVE IS IN CONTEXT OF WHERE THE BILL HAS THE
DEFINITION OF TORTURE BELOW)
means any intentional act or intentional omission by
40 which severe pain or suffering, whether physical
or mental, is inflicted
41 on a person for such purposes as obtaining from
the person or from a
42 third person information or
a confession, punishing the person for an
43 act the person or a third person has committed
(including the holding of
44 a belief or membership in any group) or is suspected
of having commit-
45 ted, or intimidating or coercing
the person or a third person, or for
46 any reason based on discrimination of any kind.
It does not include
47 pain or suffering arising only from, inherent
in or incidental to lawful
( LAMB AND MECCA REMARK; THE ABOVE WORDS OF -< inherent in or incidental
to lawful sanction>- ACTUALLY CAN MEAN HUMAN RESEARCH AND OR EXPERIMENT)
There are other loopholes hidden also where they
are in context where a paragraph leads into another that allow for further
abuse, the BILL is a harm upon the people and a boom to the State.
We have seen the e-mail circulating telling TI's among others
to e-mail the representatives of an Assemblyman in New York and the New York
State Senator proposing those bills, however what TI's really should be doing
in order to help their cause is email all the Senators and Assembly persons
the following message:
“SCRAP NYS Senator Duanes BILL S04495A” it's unconstitutional
under the Civil Rights of New Yorkers CONSTITUTION to dilute New Yorkers
rights by tacit allowance to physicians to engage in such activity and to
codify human experimentation that causes pain and suffering as altogether
allowable as the Bill states is the case pertinent to the new legislation.
It is immoral and illegal under NYS laws.
CLICK LINKS TO email NYS SENATE AND ASSEMBLY.
To end this installment we thank all the victims and activists
who are working diligently to stop this egregious atrocity.
We will update as soon as possible!
END OF -- June 15, 2010 – INSTALLMENT.
PREVIOUS POST - JUNE 30, 2010
"WARNING: TAKE NOTICE"
SECRET LAWS TO STEAL YOUR BODY, MIND AND SOUL
IN NEW YORK AND OTHER STATES,
ARE NOW IN EFFECT.
It has been discovered there are New York Public Health Laws
and New York Mental Health Laws that are being used to strip New Yorkers
of their New York “STATE” Civil Rights secretly, allowing “State of New York”
authorities to destroy any New Yorkers health and life without notification
of the persons affected. The same kinds of actions are happening to all persons
in other “states”, under their own states laws.
To make things worse there are other New York State laws that
allow state authorities to evade admitting that they have secretly declared
a person incompetent for subsequent nomination into a deadly human experiment
using covertly installed in the body devices (in vivo) that emit deadly energy,
while the person is completely unaware and going about their daily tasks
and going to work. Even if the person's doctor or lawyer were to ask the
authorities, the authorities decide whether to tell them or not and according
to law, do not have to tell them, unless the victim has substantial evidence
and takes the authorities to court. If a person's doctor or lawyer knows of
what is happening to the victim, they won't tell the victim, because they
are licensed with the state and therefore obligated not to aid uncovering
an ongoing human experiment “lawful investigation”.
The attacks on people throughout the nation and world vary,
where the technology ranges from implanted in the body devices emitting deadly
energy to other techniques of implanted in the body tracking devices to allow
them to be efficiently stalked by authorities teams of harassers and also
tracking devices to allow the use of deadly radar beams to be sent into their
bodies location. The general issue is that the people are having their immune
systems traumatized to destroy their health and minds. Many of the victims
report torture level pain in a virtual sentence of death.
In States like New York the laws allow federal authorities like
the agency Health and Human Services (HHS), military authorities like the
CIA, hospitals, universities, institutions, private corporations and doctors,
to operate under permission of written New York State laws; the entities
mentioned are therefore by law given permission to operate in the State of
New York by New York itself, those entities however are still obligated to
obey the other laws of New York State that protect a person, which the entities
are not obeying. The entities are also obligated not to breach New York States
CONSTITUTIONS CIVIL RIGHTS OF NEW YORKERS; therefore the entities from other
than the state itself are actionable for liability for breaching the peoples
civil rights, just the same as state authorities are liable when they have
ignored a persons civil rights. Thereby all of the attacks reported by people
throughout the nation are being allowed by the respective STATES laws that
the person lives in. The issue therefore is that in order to bring a complaint
to stop the attacks it can and should be brought first in a STATE Court,
because the STATE authorities are in action as permitting the activity even
where it is from federal authorities for example. This is known from our
having found the laws that specify the state gives permission for the entities
to operate inside New Yorks jurisdiction. The specific laws that allow such
atrocities will be outlined in detail in this articles next installment.
It sounds impossible, it is not, there are such laws here in
New York and there appears to be the same laws, with somewhat different wording
that allow for the same thing to happen, in the other 49 states.
There are several thousand people over the last 15 or so years
telling of their being attacked and or used in human experiments that have
destroyed their lives, these people were leading normal lives and suddenly
their world was turned upside down by State authorized authorities making
up for their state budgets deficits by designating people falsely to be “incompetent”
and selling the victimized people for use in human experiments for profit.
The old saying is, “if you follow the money the truth will be found”; the
money motive is a part of the issue of why a person is chosen, because the
states need money and they also have men and women without conscience that
will do whatever they are ordered to do. Not like you, where your conscience
would bother you to pick some New Yorker or people in another state to experiment
on, knowing full well their life would be destroyed. Because of the authorities
and media ignoring this injustce many of the victims of this abuse have died.
Imagine you wake up and find yourself the target of the authorities,
who are really covertly silently torturing you and no authorities will listen
to you or help you at all. The electronic pulsing devices do not only cause
extreme pain, but are designed to affect the frontal lobe of the brain to
depreciate judgment, in effect a reducing the intellect of a person. As the
laws are today you too are also at risk for the same thing happening, as well
also your family and friends and acquaintances; the potential really exists
that you have already been implanted and the authorities have not turned
it on or high enough for you to notice it. The laws are on the books and
the activities are well known to be going on, there are innumerable websites
discussing the attacks on people throughout the nation. One person having
this happen to them, is one too many.
The discussion of people affected varies as to how to get the
attacks to stop. There has until now been confusion about the source of jurisdictional
responsibility of the attacks, resulting in people taking their cases incorrectly
to the federal courts; it has been shown by law the states are responsible
and not the federal government. Not to say the federal government is not
involved; it is a fact however the states are permitting the attacks upon
a New Yorkers, Californians, Texans or whatever state the person lives in,
where federal or other entities are in action.
Gathering sufficient evidence is what is needed to gain a hearing in court,
it has been difficult to do under the circumstances that the authorities
call the attacks “human experiments or research”, as a cover for their unconstitutional
crimes. The general issues for most of those claiming to be affected is the
common thread of their experiences with other victims, such similar reports
amount to evidence by commonality; that essentially says to an observer,
that something more than mass hysteria is occurring.
The victims reporting here in this article have gathered substantial
evidence of various kinds and their evidence conforms to courts requirements
for a hearing. It is now in the hands of the Court to do the right thing,
or cause further litigation of the case where it may ultimately wind up having
to be appealed and by due diligence of Lamb and Mecca, wind up in a federal
court; that will in all likelihood result in the federal court enforcing
their New York State Constitutional Civil Rights, where they coincide with
their federal Constitutions' Civil Rights.
You might have asked yourself why attorneys have been unable
or unwilling to bring a complaint into court, why detectives produce nothing
they will back up in a court, why doctors see nothing; well there are laws
in New York and other states that hold them criminally liable for exposing
an ongoing “so called” human experiment quantified in the eyes of the authorities
as being a “lawful investigation” of a suspect/subject. Such so called “lawful
investigation” have the full weight of law to enforce the maintenance of
secrecy, so that the experiments remain secret, thereby the laws prevent
licensed with the state authorities from rendering “honest service” to victims.
Where the licensed professionals such as attorneys, private detectives and
doctors may well appear to be helping, they always fall short of the goal
because they are compromised by the laws, if they are not actively misleading
the victim. The laws that allow what is described are unconstitutional, but
are used by authorities as if they were constitutional; the laws for maintaining
secrecy of investigations to keep victims from getting evidence by the state
authorities, is by keeping all licensed with the state professionals on a
legal leash. Many of the licensed with the state professionals and authorities
have exhibited actions and attitude of sanctioning such atrocities. The same
reasonings are why the news media has ignored the victims plight. The only
way out is through a court where the activities are exposed.
Some of those who are being experimented on have made an effort
to get the problem resolved by going to court. That may seem like the intelligent
response to do, to get something so offensive to stop, but it has been a
nightmare for those making the attempt in court; due to another set of authorities
laws and policy and case law that support State authorities allowance to
lie compounding the problem. Such that the authorities can legally deny all
knowledge of the activity, leaving the victim without any ability to get
to the truth unless their court case is properly structured. To most of you
who read this, it may seem impossible the authorities are allowed to lie
in consideration of what's being complained about, but the issue has been
decided in court cases that have found for State authorities being allowed
to lie while in pursuit of a “lawful investigation” of a suspect/human subject;
where in our case we are talking about the authorities pursuit of a person
who is a human experiment. Licensed with the state professionals are not supposed
to help or aid a victimized person to expose the activity, professionals who
don't want to go along could be subject to retaliation by authorities, in
being threatened with jail or loose their license to enforce secrecy; such
threats have no real weight and those professionals that go along are guilty
of conspiracy to defraud. That anybody can have the State step in and seize
them as their guardian by nominating the person incompetent secretly without
notice is inherently illegal and on the opposing side supported that it is
illegal by case law. The licensed professionals are not free from responsibility,
they are actionable and not free from liability where they are silent or
go along with authorities, on the basis of the egregious nature of the actions
authorized by authorities. What is being done to people in the 50 states,
is against their guaranteed state Constitutions Civil Rights of persons.
These are some of the reasons for all the secrecy by authorities, being they
can be stopped and the authorities know that, their main objective is to
keep victims from going to court and that is their highest priority.
As victims we have been fighting for our lives trying to stop
the insidious atrocity in court, it is a fight critical and crucial to saving
our own lives, as well as to help save the lives of many people in New York
and throughout the United States where we win. The two affected new Yorkers,
John and Debbie have been diligent in searching out a means to produce evidence
where the evidence gathered has not been dependent upon licensed authorities;
as a part of their evidence they have used a special advanced electronic
test according to an electromagnetic standard test of the Institute of Electrical
and Electronics Engineers, Inc., which is the world's leading professional
association for the advancement of technology, setting standards for industry
and governments around the world. They have gathered other evidences as well
to support their case.
How did we get to this depraved state of human rights abuse
and what can be done to reverse the trend of adoption of Nazi like legal
allowances to have our State Constitution Civil Rights of persons of any
state taken away. These actions of state authorities taking away a person's
rights without telling anyone that they are really stealing the body and
mind of a person to torture or kill them, is just like a judicial secret
star chamber of rogue judges deciding who lives and who dies. The actions
of authorities described in this article are a new form of corruption for
use by authorities in personal vendettas, legitimate activist assassinations,
money making, power and outright sadistic training of other authorities to
learn how to do an attack upon a person. That is an issue for the courts
to remedy you may think, well there are two people in Court in New York who
are also victims and as of this June 2nd 2010, they are attempting to turn
this extraordinary immoral activity around and make such vague laws illegal
through case law. The Plaintiffs in court being Deborah Lamb and John Mecca
are being egregiously affected with pain and suffering from electronic torture
by implanted devices, they are currently scheduled for a hearing this July
in Long Island New York, of their well supported and properly organized case.
You are asked to forward this article to all and anyone whom you believe
cares, who has lost hope, who can further spread the word and to those who
may want to attend the hearing to show support. Also we need your Prayers
that justice prevails and we win.
The next installment will be in a few days to a week!