NEW Second installment of Internet
Segment: update for June 15, 2010:
Update on our Court Action:
This is our second installment of information
regarding our court case. We have received extra phone calls from
victims asking for information and or direct help. The requests are here
answered for those that asked the questions and for those who may want to
know. First we are not perfect, nor attorneys and financially unable to
do more than what is presented here. One of the questions asked was, would
we help with another persons court case; we cannot give legal advise as it
is considered illegal, we are going to give adequate review of our own complaint
to give the victims an insight as to how to handle their own as a parallel.
The facts of how a victim should approach the problem of formulating their
own complaint is a relative issue, as we believe as we have said on the first
installment that a complaint should be entered into a State Court and not
a Federal Court. The reason for that is mentioned in the first installment.
A second question was regarding FOIA and State
FOILS, where the specifics were how to go about preparing an FOIA/FOIL. The
first issue to face is that the authorities both state and federal are allowed
to lie and keep the information you may be seeking where it is about yourself
secret. Because whether you're under human experimentation or some form
of new bizarre form of trustee prisoner, you would be refused on the basis
that an ongoing lawful investigation was being performed upon the person.
As well from our own efforts to FOIL and FOIA the information being sought
will not be given unless it is about a generic topic. Such topics must specify
a time period and the actual information requested must be about some aspect
that is not directly connected to the information you seek but is possible
from the generic information to cause a perception that such as what you
truly seek is likely to be present. All in all the only way to get information
about ones self is to FOIA/FOIL and then subsequently appeal and upon getting
nothing still then to sue in a court for an answer. However evidence
showing standing and harm will be needed to get the court to find for the
Plaintiffs and order an answer from the Defendants. This information is
what we have learned from personally sending out FOIA's/FOIL's.
In our first installment we made it clear that
attorneys will not help us and we presume will not help any attack victim,
due to the fact the attacks are being done under law, however they are unconstitutional.
We are "Pro Se" as a necessity, because lawyers will not touch this kind
of problem; until someone establishes case law by winning.
Now our Court update for June 15, 2010 is:
The Court is currently hearing Defendants and
Plaintiffs Motions. The Defendants always ask for a dismissal and
have entered a Motion for dismissal, we the Plaintiffs Debbie and John have
entered a cross motion to counter the Defendants Motion, that we believe
is more than adequate for discounting and mooting the Defendants motion based
on law. Therefore we are currently awaiting the outcome of the Justices decision
in this most important matter. The decision by the Justice regarding
those motions is set for mid-July and neither Defendants or us Plaintiffs,
Debbie and John are required to attend, so far as we know at this present
time. Our complaint asks that all New Yorkers who have been experimented
on without their knowledge or consent must be notified by Defendants being
New York authorities, when and if we win our case. No public hearing
is scheduled at this time.
Recent emails from victims about New York State
Legislative Bill A6665C Gottfried (MS) -- Prohibits participation in torture
and improper treatment of prisoners by health care professionals information
of New York State Legislative Bills to prohibit Physicians involving themselves
in harsh investigations, does not benefit electronic attack victims.
IN OUR COMPLAINT WE ILLUSTRATE WE ARE LEGALLY SANCTIONED UNCONSTITUTIONALLY
BY NYS AUTHORITIES TO BE EXPOSED TO EGREGIOUS TREATMENT.
The following is John Mecca's and Deborah Lamb's
analysis based on NYS Law of the text of the Bill 4495--A, that shows in
simple terms the true purpose and meaning of the NYS Bill; “PROHIBITING PARTICIPATION
IN TORTURE AND IMPROPER TREATMENT OF PRISONERS BY HEALTH CARE PROFESSIONALS”.
Where the Bills definition of "Prisoner" means any person who is subject
to punishment, detention, incarceration, interrogation, intimidation or coercion.
1.) This Bill is to a great degree for the purpose of removing
linkage of liability, of NYS, that the State not be held liable for the
actions of medical personnel whom engage in aiding harsh and egregious treatment;
is by the Bill implied to be applied on a case by case basis and is not a
blanket statement for all medical personnel. Nor intended as a Bill for indicating
criminal activity by medical authorities.
2.) In essence the Bill is an unconstitutional effort of the NYS legislature
to have on their books a law that places responsibility for wrong doing by
medical personnel upon them alone, and further that the law by its wording
leaves the medical personnel responsible to prove where sued that they had
substantiation of adequate legal sanction, from whatever authority they operated
under; such proof necessary for a medical practitioner to obtain from the
authority they acted under has intrinsic barriers at present under for example
Federal FISA and other authorities such as Military Tribunals. For example
Guantanamo Internees are not protected under the CAT Act due to the U.S.
State Department having claimed exemption of that act and other restrictions
such as those under the Geneva Convention, by the authorities of the State
Department claiming allowance to contravene those international and other
agreements and laws through the legal stricture of “Lex Specialis”, in legal
theory and practice, is a doctrine relating to the interpretation of laws,
and can apply in both domestic and international law contexts. The doctrine
states that a law governing a specific subject matter (lex specialis) overrides
a law which only governs general matters (lex generalis).
3.) By the laws wording, it does not therefore actually prohibit medical
personnel from engaging in aiding harsh and similar treatment where legally
sanctioned, nor does it encompass or prohibit pain and suffering caused by
human research or experimentation. Human experimentation is not an issue
covered by this Bill, except that the Bill excludes pain and suffering as
an issue where they were caused from NYS waiver of consent human experimentation
or research. Therefore the Bill does infer sanction of legitimacy of NYS
waiver of consent human experimentation or research to cause pain and suffering.
4.) The NYS law does not state that there is a criminal penalty
for medical personnel, by there not being any mention of any penalty, is
inferring that it is merely a reportable condition of a medical personnel's
activity, which may result in some peer review.
5.) In the Bill there is no mention of addendum to criminal law,
as a further indication there is no criminal penalty implied. And how could
there be any criminal penalty, where the higher Federal authorities have
laws for virtual torture and harsh treatment that sanction such activities
to that which the NYS Bill decries.
6.) The Bill implies without qualification that NYS authorities
themselves cannot be involved with virtual torture and harsh treatment and
that such lack of text qualification prohibiting NYS authorities as a meaning
of implied restriction of NYS authorities, is wholly mitigated by the existence
of the vague waiver of consent human experiment and research laws, which
can enable use of pain and suffering as apart of an experiment or research.
Therefore by the laws wording, it does not therefore actually prohibit authorities
or medical personnel from engaging or in aiding harsh and similar egregious
treatment where legally sanctioned as such laws allowing sanction exist
7.) The Bill essentially is used as a vehicle to unconstitutionally
quantify persons who are ill treated inside or outside of New York by medical
authorities or NYS authorities as without their guaranteed NYS CONSTITUTIONS
CIVIL RIGHTS of due process, freedom of speech, freedom of religion and other
rights. This is done by the qualification that such abuses by authorities
are as can be understood from the text of the law are not open to criminal
8.) The Bill is an unconstitutional extension and subsequent unconstitutional
extension as a prejudice against any person egregiously effected by NYS medical
personnel, accommodated by the unconstitutional acceptance in a breech of
New Yorkers civil rights that enable unconstitutional acts by Federal or
even NYS authorities to be considered separable as to the liability of NYS
where in the Bill the state seeks to sever its liability as regards egregious
actions of medical authorities and is wholly conflicting with the scope,
meaning and purpose of not only New Yorkers Constitutions Civil Rights but
also of other states constitutions Civil Rights and some would argue is in
conflict even with the U.S. Constitution where honest legal authorities were
9.) All TI's as persons whom are being attacked face possible negative
influence by this Bill in context of: (a) the unconstitutional definitions
the NY legislature invented to protect NYS from liability (b) and the unconstitutional
holding by the NY legislature of egregious acts by licensed and other authorities
as not actionable for criminal charges and, (c) it is unconstitutional for
the NYS to imply no criminal penalty where the reason is to unconstitutionally
alleviate NYS of liability as to the acts of their licensed or otherwise
controlled medical professionals, as it is a perversion of the law.
Such that upon authorities or medical personnel coming to light in the discovery
phase of a complaint, could have such legislation enable offending
defendants to claim that New York State and hence its authorities are free
and clear from liability except as to minor infraction and that could result
in pain and suffering not being allowed as issues of intent by defendants
and therefore such pain and suffering as liability could be evaded by New
York State authorities and New York State.
10.) In summation this Bill is slickly worded, as it decreases
our NYS Civil Rights as sovereign people to prevent liability not only of
New York and its New York authorities, but also its medical personnel as
11.) The Bill needs to be opposed and not embraced.
The Bill if read carefully is an effort by the
NYS legislature to prevent News York States liability if a physician is
sued by a victim for having been involved with torture or ill treatment
of a person. As well the Bill CLICK here <http://public.leginfo.state.ny.us/menugetf.cgi>
check full text, summary and enter the numbers S04495A up will come the
full text and read carefully you will see the legislature is providing legal
loopholes for them to allow physicians as NY licensed medical practitioners
to act to do torture, but that the new legislation holds NY free from being
held liable and also NY does not say that those who chose to do the deed
will be held criminally liable, just that NY will not face liability and
therefore could not be sued. Not sued at least if the wording is inadequate,
the law itself is unconstitutional to sanction the act of participation in
torture or harsh treatment anyway. Additionally the legislation provides
another loophole that legally sanctioned actions of whatever authority are
not covered, they could be Nazi Doctor Joseph Mengele research and experiments
under wavier of consent human experimentation available under public laws
of NY. So what is the legislation, it is an unconstitutional construction
releasing physicians from adhering to the new law and frees NY from liability
where such New York medical authorities involved with ill treatment of a
person may be taking place inside or outside of NY jurisdiction. To sum up,
victims and activists who care, should start a letter writing campaign to
have the final Bills draft scrapped and that the true issues of Peoples rights
be addressed, by espousing that NY have a policy that physicians offenses
whether under color of law or not should be criminal offenses. That the NY
State must not be allowed to state in law, well if you want to be involved
with torture NY physician you can but you are not sanctioned to do so by
NY, that is NY saying the people the physician is acting upon to aid torture
or harsh treatment have no rights and must be countered by email, mail, phone
calls and faxes to say: “SCRAP NYS Senator Duanes BILL S04495A” it's unconstitutional
under the Civil Rights of New Yorkers CONSTITUTION to dilute New Yorkers
Below is an excerpt from the tragic Bill, notice
the last sentence in bold text, which is a blatant loophole for a physician
to ignore the prohibition on torture the Bill pretends to enforce.
Participation in torture or improper treatment of prisoners by
9 health care professionals. 1.
Definitions. As used in this section, the
10 terms "torture" and "improper treatment"
shall be interpreted in accord-
11 ance with applicable international treaties,
principles and standards as
12 well as the decisions, observations and recommendations
of the corre-
13 sponding interpreting bodies. However, for
the purposes of this section,
14 it shall not be an element of
either "torture" or "improper treatment"
15 that such acts be committed by a government
or non-government actor,
16 entity, or official; under color
of law; or not under color of law. As
17 used in this section, unless the context
clearly requires otherwise, the
18 following terms have the following meanings:
( LAMB AND MECCA REMARK; THE ABOVE IS IN CONTEXT OF WHERE THE BILL HAS
THE DEFINITION OF TORTURE BELOW)
"Torture" means any intentional act or intentional omission
40 which severe pain or suffering, whether physical
or mental, is inflicted
41 on a person for such purposes as obtaining
from the person or from a
42 third person information
or a confession, punishing the person for an
43 act the person or a third person has committed
(including the holding of
44 a belief or membership in any group) or is
suspected of having commit-
45 ted, or intimidating or
coercing the person or a third person, or for
46 any reason based on discrimination of any
kind. It does not include
47 pain or suffering arising only from, inherent
in or incidental to lawful
( LAMB AND MECCA REMARK; THE ABOVE WORDS OF -< inherent in or incidental
to lawful sanction>- ACTUALLY CAN MEAN HUMAN RESEARCH AND OR EXPERIMENT)
There are other loopholes hidden also where
they are in context where a paragraph leads into another that allow for
further abuse, the BILL is a harm upon the people and a boom to the State.
We have seen the e-mail circulating telling TI's among others
to e-mail the representatives of an Assemblyman in New York and the New York
State Senator proposing those bills, however what TI's really should be
doing in order to help their cause is email all the Senators and Assembly
persons the following message:
“SCRAP NYS Senator Duanes BILL S04495A” it's unconstitutional
under the Civil Rights of New Yorkers CONSTITUTION to dilute New Yorkers
rights by tacit allowance to physicians to engage in such activity and to
codify human experimentation that causes pain and suffering as altogether
allowable as the Bill states is the case pertinent to the new legislation.
It is immoral and illegal under NYS laws.
CLICK LINKS TO email NYS SENATE AND ASSEMBLY.
To end this installment we thank all the victims and
activists who are working diligently to stop this egregious atrocity.
We will update as soon as possible!
END OF -- June 15, 2010 – INSTALLMENT.
PREVIOUS POST - JUNE 30, 2010
"WARNING: TAKE NOTICE"
SECRET LAWS TO STEAL YOUR BODY, MIND AND
IN NEW YORK AND OTHER STATES,
ARE NOW IN EFFECT.
It has been discovered there are New York Public Health
Laws and New York Mental Health Laws that are being used to strip New Yorkers
of their New York “STATE” Civil Rights secretly, allowing “State of New York”
authorities to destroy any New Yorkers health and life without notification
of the persons affected. The same kinds of actions are happening to all persons
in other “states”, under their own states laws.
To make things worse there are other New York State laws
that allow state authorities to evade admitting that they have secretly declared
a person incompetent for subsequent nomination into a deadly human experiment
using covertly installed in the body devices (in vivo) that emit deadly
energy, while the person is completely unaware and going about their daily
tasks and going to work. Even if the person's doctor or lawyer were to ask
the authorities, the authorities decide whether to tell them or not and according
to law, do not have to tell them, unless the victim has substantial evidence
and takes the authorities to court. If a person's doctor or lawyer knows
of what is happening to the victim, they won't tell the victim, because they
are licensed with the state and therefore obligated not to aid uncovering
an ongoing human experiment “lawful investigation”.
The attacks on people throughout the nation and world vary,
where the technology ranges from implanted in the body devices emitting deadly
energy to other techniques of implanted in the body tracking devices to
allow them to be efficiently stalked by authorities teams of harassers and
also tracking devices to allow the use of deadly radar beams to be sent into
their bodies location. The general issue is that the people are having their
immune systems traumatized to destroy their health and minds. Many of the
victims report torture level pain in a virtual sentence of death.
In States like New York the laws allow federal authorities
like the agency Health and Human Services (HHS), military authorities like
the CIA, hospitals, universities, institutions, private corporations and
doctors, to operate under permission of written New York State laws; the
entities mentioned are therefore by law given permission to operate in the
State of New York by New York itself, those entities however are still obligated
to obey the other laws of New York State that protect a person, which the
entities are not obeying. The entities are also obligated not to breach
New York States CONSTITUTIONS CIVIL RIGHTS OF NEW YORKERS; therefore the
entities from other than the state itself are actionable for liability for
breaching the peoples civil rights, just the same as state authorities are
liable when they have ignored a persons civil rights. Thereby all of the
attacks reported by people throughout the nation are being allowed by the
respective STATES laws that the person lives in. The issue therefore is that
in order to bring a complaint to stop the attacks it can and should be brought
first in a STATE Court, because the STATE authorities are in action as permitting
the activity even where it is from federal authorities for example. This
is known from our having found the laws that specify the state gives permission
for the entities to operate inside New Yorks jurisdiction. The specific laws
that allow such atrocities will be outlined in detail in this articles next
It sounds impossible, it is not, there are such laws here
in New York and there appears to be the same laws, with somewhat different
wording that allow for the same thing to happen, in the other 49 states.
There are several thousand people over the last 15 or so
years telling of their being attacked and or used in human experiments that
have destroyed their lives, these people were leading normal lives and suddenly
their world was turned upside down by State authorized authorities making
up for their state budgets deficits by designating people falsely to be “incompetent”
and selling the victimized people for use in human experiments for profit.
The old saying is, “if you follow the money the truth will be found”; the
money motive is a part of the issue of why a person is chosen, because the
states need money and they also have men and women without conscience that
will do whatever they are ordered to do. Not like you, where your conscience
would bother you to pick some New Yorker or people in another state to experiment
on, knowing full well their life would be destroyed. Because of the authorities
and media ignoring this injustce many of the victims of this abuse have died.
Imagine you wake up and find yourself the target of the
authorities, who are really covertly silently torturing you and no authorities
will listen to you or help you at all. The electronic pulsing devices do
not only cause extreme pain, but are designed to affect the frontal lobe
of the brain to depreciate judgment, in effect a reducing the intellect
of a person. As the laws are today you too are also at risk for the same
thing happening, as well also your family and friends and acquaintances;
the potential really exists that you have already been implanted and the
authorities have not turned it on or high enough for you to notice it. The
laws are on the books and the activities are well known to be going on, there
are innumerable websites discussing the attacks on people throughout the
nation. One person having this happen to them, is one too many.
The discussion of people affected varies as to how to get
the attacks to stop. There has until now been confusion about the source
of jurisdictional responsibility of the attacks, resulting in people taking
their cases incorrectly to the federal courts; it has been shown by law the
states are responsible and not the federal government. Not to say the federal
government is not involved; it is a fact however the states are permitting
the attacks upon a New Yorkers, Californians, Texans or whatever state the
person lives in, where federal or other entities are in action.
Gathering sufficient evidence is what is needed to gain a hearing in
court, it has been difficult to do under the circumstances that the authorities
call the attacks “human experiments or research”, as a cover for their unconstitutional
crimes. The general issues for most of those claiming to be affected is the
common thread of their experiences with other victims, such similar reports
amount to evidence by commonality; that essentially says to an observer,
that something more than mass hysteria is occurring.
The victims reporting here in this article have gathered
substantial evidence of various kinds and their evidence conforms to courts
requirements for a hearing. It is now in the hands of the Court to do the
right thing, or cause further litigation of the case where it may ultimately
wind up having to be appealed and by due diligence of Lamb and Mecca, wind
up in a federal court; that will in all likelihood result in the federal
court enforcing their New York State Constitutional Civil Rights, where they
coincide with their federal Constitutions' Civil Rights.
You might have asked yourself why attorneys have been unable
or unwilling to bring a complaint into court, why detectives produce nothing
they will back up in a court, why doctors see nothing; well there are laws
in New York and other states that hold them criminally liable for exposing
an ongoing “so called” human experiment quantified in the eyes of the authorities
as being a “lawful investigation” of a suspect/subject. Such so called “lawful
investigation” have the full weight of law to enforce the maintenance of
secrecy, so that the experiments remain secret, thereby the laws prevent
licensed with the state authorities from rendering “honest service” to victims.
Where the licensed professionals such as attorneys, private detectives and
doctors may well appear to be helping, they always fall short of the goal
because they are compromised by the laws, if they are not actively misleading
the victim. The laws that allow what is described are unconstitutional, but
are used by authorities as if they were constitutional; the laws for maintaining
secrecy of investigations to keep victims from getting evidence by the
state authorities, is by keeping all licensed with the state professionals
on a legal leash. Many of the licensed with the state professionals and authorities
have exhibited actions and attitude of sanctioning such atrocities. The same
reasonings are why the news media has ignored the victims plight. The only
way out is through a court where the activities are exposed.
Some of those who are being experimented on have made an
effort to get the problem resolved by going to court. That may seem like
the intelligent response to do, to get something so offensive to stop, but
it has been a nightmare for those making the attempt in court; due to another
set of authorities laws and policy and case law that support State authorities
allowance to lie compounding the problem. Such that the authorities can legally
deny all knowledge of the activity, leaving the victim without any ability
to get to the truth unless their court case is properly structured. To most
of you who read this, it may seem impossible the authorities are allowed to
lie in consideration of what's being complained about, but the issue has been
decided in court cases that have found for State authorities being allowed
to lie while in pursuit of a “lawful investigation” of a suspect/human subject;
where in our case we are talking about the authorities pursuit of a person
who is a human experiment. Licensed with the state professionals are not
supposed to help or aid a victimized person to expose the activity, professionals
who don't want to go along could be subject to retaliation by authorities,
in being threatened with jail or loose their license to enforce secrecy;
such threats have no real weight and those professionals that go along are
guilty of conspiracy to defraud. That anybody can have the State step in
and seize them as their guardian by nominating the person incompetent secretly
without notice is inherently illegal and on the opposing side supported that
it is illegal by case law. The licensed professionals are not free from responsibility,
they are actionable and not free from liability where they are silent or
go along with authorities, on the basis of the egregious nature of the actions
authorized by authorities. What is being done to people in the 50 states,
is against their guaranteed state Constitutions Civil Rights of persons.
These are some of the reasons for all the secrecy by authorities, being they
can be stopped and the authorities know that, their main objective is to keep
victims from going to court and that is their highest priority.
As victims we have been fighting for our lives trying to
stop the insidious atrocity in court, it is a fight critical and crucial
to saving our own lives, as well as to help save the lives of many people
in New York and throughout the United States where we win. The two affected
new Yorkers, John and Debbie have been diligent in searching out a means
to produce evidence where the evidence gathered has not been dependent upon
licensed authorities; as a part of their evidence they have used a special
advanced electronic test according to an electromagnetic standard test of
the Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers, Inc., which is the
world's leading professional association for the advancement of technology,
setting standards for industry and governments around the world. They have
gathered other evidences as well to support their case.
How did we get to this depraved state of human rights abuse
and what can be done to reverse the trend of adoption of Nazi like legal
allowances to have our State Constitution Civil Rights of persons of any state
taken away. These actions of state authorities taking away a person's rights
without telling anyone that they are really stealing the body and mind of
a person to torture or kill them, is just like a judicial secret star chamber
of rogue judges deciding who lives and who dies. The actions of authorities
described in this article are a new form of corruption for use by authorities
in personal vendettas, legitimate activist assassinations, money making,
power and outright sadistic training of other authorities to learn how to
do an attack upon a person. That is an issue for the courts to remedy you
may think, well there are two people in Court in New York who are also victims
and as of this June 2nd 2010, they are attempting to turn this extraordinary
immoral activity around and make such vague laws illegal through case law.
The Plaintiffs in court being Deborah Lamb and John Mecca are being egregiously
affected with pain and suffering from electronic torture by implanted devices,
they are currently scheduled for a hearing this July in Long Island New York,
of their well supported and properly organized case. You are asked to forward
this article to all and anyone whom you believe cares, who has lost hope,
who can further spread the word and to those who may want to attend the hearing
to show support. Also we need your Prayers that justice prevails and we win.
The next installment will be in a few days to a week!