NEW Second installment of Internet
Segment: update for June 15, 2010:
Update on our Court Action:
This is our second installment of information
regarding our court case. We have received extra phone calls from
victims asking for information and or direct help. The requests are here
answered for those that asked the questions and for those who may want to
know. First we are not perfect, nor attorneys and financially unable to
do more than what is presented here. One of the questions asked was, would
we help with another persons court case; we cannot give legal advise as it
is considered illegal, we are going to give adequate review of our own complaint
to give the victims an insight as to how to handle their own as a parallel.
The facts of how a victim should approach the problem of formulating their
own complaint is a relative issue, as we believe as we have said on the first
installment that a complaint should be entered into a State Court and not
a Federal Court. The reason for that is mentioned in the first installment.
A second question was regarding FOIA and State
FOILS, where the specifics were how to go about preparing an FOIA/FOIL. The
first issue to face is that the authorities both state and federal are allowed
to lie and keep the information you may be seeking where it is about yourself
secret. Because whether you're under human experimentation or some form
of new bizarre form of trustee prisoner, you would be refused on the basis
that an ongoing lawful investigation was being performed upon the person.
As well from our own efforts to FOIL and FOIA the information being sought
will not be given unless it is about a generic topic. Such topics must specify
a time period and the actual information requested must be about some aspect
that is not directly connected to the information you seek but is possible
from the generic information to cause a perception that such as what you
truly seek is likely to be present. All in all the only way to get information
about ones self is to FOIA/FOIL and then subsequently appeal and upon getting
nothing still then to sue in a court for an answer. However evidence
showing standing and harm will be needed to get the court to find for the
Plaintiffs and order an answer from the Defendants. This information is what
we have learned from personally sending out FOIA's/FOIL's.
In our first installment we made it clear that
attorneys will not help us and we presume will not help any attack victim,
due to the fact the attacks are being done under law, however they are unconstitutional.
We are "Pro Se" as a necessity, because lawyers will not touch this kind
of problem; until someone establishes case law by winning.
Now our Court update for June 15, 2010 is:
The Court is currently hearing Defendants and
Plaintiffs Motions. The Defendants always ask for a dismissal and
have entered a Motion for dismissal, we the Plaintiffs Debbie and John have
entered a cross motion to counter the Defendants Motion, that we believe
is more than adequate for discounting and mooting the Defendants motion based
on law. Therefore we are currently awaiting the outcome of the Justices decision
in this most important matter. The decision by the Justice regarding
those motions is set for mid-July and neither Defendants or us Plaintiffs,
Debbie and John are required to attend, so far as we know at this present
time. Our complaint asks that all New Yorkers who have been experimented
on without their knowledge or consent must be notified by Defendants being
New York authorities, when and if we win our case. No public hearing
is scheduled at this time.
Recent emails from victims about New York State
Legislative Bill A6665C Gottfried (MS) -- Prohibits participation in torture
and improper treatment of prisoners by health care professionals information
of New York State Legislative Bills to prohibit Physicians involving themselves
in harsh investigations, does not benefit electronic attack victims.
IN OUR COMPLAINT WE ILLUSTRATE WE ARE LEGALLY SANCTIONED UNCONSTITUTIONALLY
BY NYS AUTHORITIES TO BE EXPOSED TO EGREGIOUS TREATMENT.
The following is John Mecca's and Deborah Lamb's
analysis based on NYS Law of the text of the Bill 4495--A, that shows in
simple terms the true purpose and meaning of the NYS Bill; “PROHIBITING PARTICIPATION
IN TORTURE AND IMPROPER TREATMENT OF PRISONERS BY HEALTH CARE PROFESSIONALS”.
Where the Bills definition of "Prisoner" means any person who is subject
to punishment, detention, incarceration, interrogation, intimidation or
coercion.
1.) This Bill is to a great degree for the purpose of removing
linkage of liability, of NYS, that the State not be held liable for the
actions of medical personnel whom engage in aiding harsh and egregious treatment;
is by the Bill implied to be applied on a case by case basis and is not a
blanket statement for all medical personnel. Nor intended as a Bill for indicating
criminal activity by medical authorities.
2.) In essence the Bill is an unconstitutional effort of the NYS legislature
to have on their books a law that places responsibility for wrong doing
by medical personnel upon them alone, and further that the law by its wording
leaves the medical personnel responsible to prove where sued that they
had substantiation of adequate legal sanction, from whatever authority
they operated under; such proof necessary for a medical practitioner to
obtain from the authority they acted under has intrinsic barriers at present
under for example Federal FISA and other authorities such as Military Tribunals.
For example Guantanamo Internees are not protected under the CAT Act due
to the U.S. State Department having claimed exemption of that act and other
restrictions such as those under the Geneva Convention, by the authorities
of the State Department claiming allowance to contravene those international
and other agreements and laws through the legal stricture of “Lex Specialis”,
in legal theory and practice, is a doctrine relating to the interpretation
of laws, and can apply in both domestic and international law contexts. The
doctrine states that a law governing a specific subject matter (lex specialis)
overrides a law which only governs general matters (lex generalis).
3.) By the laws wording, it does not therefore actually prohibit medical
personnel from engaging in aiding harsh and similar treatment where legally
sanctioned, nor does it encompass or prohibit pain and suffering caused
by human research or experimentation. Human experimentation is not an issue
covered by this Bill, except that the Bill excludes pain and suffering as
an issue where they were caused from NYS waiver of consent human experimentation
or research. Therefore the Bill does infer sanction of legitimacy of NYS
waiver of consent human experimentation or research to cause pain and suffering.
4.) The NYS law does not state that there is a criminal penalty
for medical personnel, by there not being any mention of any penalty, is
inferring that it is merely a reportable condition of a medical personnel's
activity, which may result in some peer review.
5.) In the Bill there is no mention of addendum to criminal law,
as a further indication there is no criminal penalty implied. And how could
there be any criminal penalty, where the higher Federal authorities have
laws for virtual torture and harsh treatment that sanction such activities
to that which the NYS Bill decries.
6.) The Bill implies without qualification that NYS authorities
themselves cannot be involved with virtual torture and harsh treatment and
that such lack of text qualification prohibiting NYS authorities as a meaning
of implied restriction of NYS authorities, is wholly mitigated by the existence
of the vague waiver of consent human experiment and research laws, which
can enable use of pain and suffering as apart of an experiment or research.
Therefore by the laws wording, it does not therefore actually prohibit
authorities or medical personnel from engaging or in aiding harsh and similar
egregious treatment where legally sanctioned as such laws allowing sanction
exist in NYS.
7.) The Bill essentially is used as a vehicle to unconstitutionally
quantify persons who are ill treated inside or outside of New York by medical
authorities or NYS authorities as without their guaranteed NYS CONSTITUTIONS
CIVIL RIGHTS of due process, freedom of speech, freedom of religion and other
rights. This is done by the qualification that such abuses by authorities
are as can be understood from the text of the law are not open to criminal
penalties.
8.) The Bill is an unconstitutional extension and subsequent unconstitutional
extension as a prejudice against any person egregiously effected by NYS
medical personnel, accommodated by the unconstitutional acceptance in a
breech of New Yorkers civil rights that enable unconstitutional acts by
Federal or even NYS authorities to be considered separable as to the liability
of NYS where in the Bill the state seeks to sever its liability as regards
egregious actions of medical authorities and is wholly conflicting with the
scope, meaning and purpose of not only New Yorkers Constitutions Civil Rights
but also of other states constitutions Civil Rights and some would argue
is in conflict even with the U.S. Constitution where honest legal authorities
were queried.
9.) All TI's as persons whom are being attacked face possible negative
influence by this Bill in context of: (a) the unconstitutional definitions
the NY legislature invented to protect NYS from liability (b) and the unconstitutional
holding by the NY legislature of egregious acts by licensed and other authorities
as not actionable for criminal charges and, (c) it is unconstitutional
for the NYS to imply no criminal penalty where the reason is to unconstitutionally
alleviate NYS of liability as to the acts of their licensed or otherwise
controlled medical professionals, as it is a perversion of the law.
Such that upon authorities or medical personnel coming to light in the discovery
phase of a complaint, could have such legislation enable offending
defendants to claim that New York State and hence its authorities are free
and clear from liability except as to minor infraction and that could result
in pain and suffering not being allowed as issues of intent by defendants
and therefore such pain and suffering as liability could be evaded by New
York State authorities and New York State.
10.) In summation this Bill is slickly worded, as it decreases
our NYS Civil Rights as sovereign people to prevent liability not only of
New York and its New York authorities, but also its medical personnel as
well.
11.) The Bill needs to be opposed and not embraced.
The Bill if read carefully is an effort by the
NYS legislature to prevent News York States liability if a physician is sued
by a victim for having been involved with torture or ill treatment of a
person. As well the Bill CLICK here <http://public.leginfo.state.ny.us/menugetf.cgi>
check full text, summary and enter the numbers S04495A up will come the
full text and read carefully you will see the legislature is providing legal
loopholes for them to allow physicians as NY licensed medical practitioners
to act to do torture, but that the new legislation holds NY free from being
held liable and also NY does not say that those who chose to do the deed
will be held criminally liable, just that NY will not face liability and
therefore could not be sued. Not sued at least if the wording is inadequate,
the law itself is unconstitutional to sanction the act of participation in
torture or harsh treatment anyway. Additionally the legislation provides
another loophole that legally sanctioned actions of whatever authority are
not covered, they could be Nazi Doctor Joseph Mengele research and experiments
under wavier of consent human experimentation available under public laws
of NY. So what is the legislation, it is an unconstitutional construction
releasing physicians from adhering to the new law and frees NY from liability
where such New York medical authorities involved with ill treatment of a
person may be taking place inside or outside of NY jurisdiction. To sum
up, victims and activists who care, should start a letter writing campaign
to have the final Bills draft scrapped and that the true issues of Peoples
rights be addressed, by espousing that NY have a policy that physicians offenses
whether under color of law or not should be criminal offenses. That the NY
State must not be allowed to state in law, well if you want to be involved
with torture NY physician you can but you are not sanctioned to do so by
NY, that is NY saying the people the physician is acting upon to aid torture
or harsh treatment have no rights and must be countered by email, mail, phone
calls and faxes to say: “SCRAP NYS Senator Duanes BILL S04495A” it's unconstitutional
under the Civil Rights of New Yorkers CONSTITUTION to dilute New Yorkers
rights.
Below is an excerpt from the tragic Bill, notice
the last sentence in bold text, which is a blatant loophole for a physician
to ignore the prohibition on torture the Bill pretends to enforce.
§ 22.
Participation in torture or improper treatment of prisoners by
9 health care professionals. 1.
Definitions. As used in this section, the
10 terms "torture" and "improper treatment"
shall be interpreted in accord-
11 ance with applicable international treaties,
principles and standards as
12 well as the decisions, observations and recommendations
of the corre-
13 sponding interpreting bodies. However, for
the purposes of this section,
14 it shall not be an element of
either "torture" or "improper treatment"
15 that such acts be committed by a government
or non-government actor,
16 entity, or official; under color
of law; or not under color of law. As
17 used in this section, unless the context
clearly requires otherwise, the
18 following terms have the following meanings:
( LAMB AND MECCA REMARK; THE ABOVE IS IN CONTEXT OF WHERE THE BILL HAS
THE DEFINITION OF TORTURE BELOW)
(b)
"Torture" means any intentional act or intentional omission
by
40 which severe pain or suffering, whether physical
or mental, is inflicted
41 on a person for such purposes as obtaining
from the person or from a
42 third person information
or a confession, punishing the person for an
43 act the person or a third person has committed
(including the holding of
44 a belief or membership in any group) or is
suspected of having commit-
45 ted, or intimidating or
coercing the person or a third person, or for
46 any reason based on discrimination of any
kind. It does not include
47 pain or suffering arising only from, inherent
in or incidental to lawful
48 sanction.
( LAMB AND MECCA REMARK; THE ABOVE WORDS OF -< inherent in or incidental
to lawful sanction>- ACTUALLY CAN MEAN HUMAN RESEARCH AND OR EXPERIMENT)
There are other loopholes hidden also where
they are in context where a paragraph leads into another that allow for
further abuse, the BILL is a harm upon the people and a boom to the State.
We have seen the e-mail circulating telling TI's among others
to e-mail the representatives of an Assemblyman in New York and the New York
State Senator proposing those bills, however what TI's really should be
doing in order to help their cause is email all the Senators and Assembly
persons the following message:
“SCRAP NYS Senator Duanes BILL S04495A” it's unconstitutional
under the Civil Rights of New Yorkers CONSTITUTION to dilute New Yorkers
rights by tacit allowance to physicians to engage in such activity and to
codify human experimentation that causes pain and suffering as altogether
allowable as the Bill states is the case pertinent to the new legislation.
It is immoral and illegal under NYS laws.
CLICK LINKS TO email NYS SENATE AND ASSEMBLY.
<http://www.nysenate.gov/senators>
<http://assembly.state.ny.us/mem/>
To end this installment we thank all the victims and
activists who are working diligently to stop this egregious atrocity.
We will update as soon as possible!
END OF -- June 15, 2010 – INSTALLMENT.
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PREVIOUS POST - JUNE 30, 2010
"WARNING: TAKE NOTICE"
SECRET LAWS TO STEAL YOUR BODY, MIND AND SOUL
IN NEW YORK AND OTHER STATES,
ARE NOW IN EFFECT.
It has been discovered there are New York Public
Health Laws and New York Mental Health Laws that are being used to strip
New Yorkers of their New York “STATE” Civil Rights secretly, allowing “State
of New York” authorities to destroy any New Yorkers health and life without
notification of the persons affected. The same kinds of actions are happening
to all persons in other “states”, under their own states laws.
To make things worse there are other New York State
laws that allow state authorities to evade admitting that they have
secretly declared a person incompetent for subsequent nomination into
a deadly human experiment using covertly installed in the body devices
(in vivo) that emit deadly energy, while the person is completely unaware
and going about their daily tasks and going to work. Even if the person's
doctor or lawyer were to ask the authorities, the authorities decide whether
to tell them or not and according to law, do not have to tell them, unless
the victim has substantial evidence and takes the authorities to court.
If a person's doctor or lawyer knows of what is happening to the victim,
they won't tell the victim, because they are licensed with the state and
therefore obligated not to aid uncovering an ongoing human experiment
“lawful investigation”.
The attacks on people throughout the nation and
world vary, where the technology ranges from implanted in the body
devices emitting deadly energy to other techniques of implanted in the
body tracking devices to allow them to be efficiently stalked by authorities
teams of harassers and also tracking devices to allow the use of deadly
radar beams to be sent into their bodies location. The general issue is
that the people are having their immune systems traumatized to destroy
their health and minds. Many of the victims report torture level pain
in a virtual sentence of death.
In States like New York the laws allow federal authorities
like the agency Health and Human Services (HHS), military authorities
like the CIA, hospitals, universities, institutions, private corporations
and doctors, to operate under permission of written New York State laws;
the entities mentioned are therefore by law given permission to operate
in the State of New York by New York itself, those entities however are still
obligated to obey the other laws of New York State that protect a person,
which the entities are not obeying. The entities are also obligated not
to breach New York States CONSTITUTIONS CIVIL RIGHTS OF NEW YORKERS; therefore
the entities from other than the state itself are actionable for liability
for breaching the peoples civil rights, just the same as state authorities
are liable when they have ignored a persons civil rights. Thereby all of
the attacks reported by people throughout the nation are being allowed by
the respective STATES laws that the person lives in. The issue therefore
is that in order to bring a complaint to stop the attacks it can and should
be brought first in a STATE Court, because the STATE authorities are in
action as permitting the activity even where it is from federal authorities
for example. This is known from our having found the laws that specify the
state gives permission for the entities to operate inside New Yorks jurisdiction.
The specific laws that allow such atrocities will be outlined in detail
in this articles next installment.
It sounds impossible, it is not, there are such
laws here in New York and there appears to be the same laws, with somewhat
different wording that allow for the same thing to happen, in the other
49 states.
There are several thousand people over the last
15 or so years telling of their being attacked and or used in human experiments
that have destroyed their lives, these people were leading normal lives
and suddenly their world was turned upside down by State authorized authorities
making up for their state budgets deficits by designating people falsely
to be “incompetent” and selling the victimized people for use in human
experiments for profit. The old saying is, “if you follow the money the
truth will be found”; the money motive is a part of the issue of why a
person is chosen, because the states need money and they also have men
and women without conscience that will do whatever they are ordered to
do. Not like you, where your conscience would bother you to pick some
New Yorker or people in another state to experiment on, knowing full well
their life would be destroyed. Because of the authorities and media ignoring
this injustce many of the victims of this abuse have died.
Imagine you wake up and find yourself the target
of the authorities, who are really covertly silently torturing you and
no authorities will listen to you or help you at all. The electronic
pulsing devices do not only cause extreme pain, but are designed to affect
the frontal lobe of the brain to depreciate judgment, in effect a reducing
the intellect of a person. As the laws are today you too are also at risk
for the same thing happening, as well also your family and friends and
acquaintances; the potential really exists that you have already been implanted
and the authorities have not turned it on or high enough for you to notice
it. The laws are on the books and the activities are well known to be going
on, there are innumerable websites discussing the attacks on people throughout
the nation. One person having this happen to them, is one too many.
The discussion of people affected varies as to how
to get the attacks to stop. There has until now been confusion about
the source of jurisdictional responsibility of the attacks, resulting in
people taking their cases incorrectly to the federal courts; it has been
shown by law the states are responsible and not the federal government.
Not to say the federal government is not involved; it is a fact however the
states are permitting the attacks upon a New Yorkers, Californians, Texans
or whatever state the person lives in, where federal or other entities are
in action.
Gathering sufficient evidence is what is needed to gain a hearing
in court, it has been difficult to do under the circumstances that the
authorities call the attacks “human experiments or research”, as a cover
for their unconstitutional crimes. The general issues for most of those
claiming to be affected is the common thread of their experiences with
other victims, such similar reports amount to evidence by commonality; that
essentially says to an observer, that something more than mass hysteria
is occurring.
The victims reporting here in this article have
gathered substantial evidence of various kinds and their evidence conforms
to courts requirements for a hearing. It is now in the hands of the Court
to do the right thing, or cause further litigation of the case where it
may ultimately wind up having to be appealed and by due diligence of Lamb
and Mecca, wind up in a federal court; that will in all likelihood result
in the federal court enforcing their New York State Constitutional Civil
Rights, where they coincide with their federal Constitutions' Civil Rights.
You might have asked yourself why attorneys have
been unable or unwilling to bring a complaint into court, why detectives
produce nothing they will back up in a court, why doctors see nothing;
well there are laws in New York and other states that hold them criminally
liable for exposing an ongoing “so called” human experiment quantified
in the eyes of the authorities as being a “lawful investigation” of
a suspect/subject. Such so called “lawful investigation” have the full
weight of law to enforce the maintenance of secrecy, so that the experiments
remain secret, thereby the laws prevent licensed with the state authorities
from rendering “honest service” to victims. Where the licensed professionals
such as attorneys, private detectives and doctors may well appear to
be helping, they always fall short of the goal because they are compromised
by the laws, if they are not actively misleading the victim. The laws
that allow what is described are unconstitutional, but are used by authorities
as if they were constitutional; the laws for maintaining secrecy of
investigations to keep victims from getting evidence by the state authorities,
is by keeping all licensed with the state professionals on a legal leash.
Many of the licensed with the state professionals and authorities have
exhibited actions and attitude of sanctioning such atrocities. The same
reasonings are why the news media has ignored the victims plight. The only
way out is through a court where the activities are exposed.
Some of those who are being experimented on have
made an effort to get the problem resolved by going to court. That may
seem like the intelligent response to do, to get something so offensive
to stop, but it has been a nightmare for those making the attempt in court;
due to another set of authorities laws and policy and case law that support
State authorities allowance to lie compounding the problem. Such that the
authorities can legally deny all knowledge of the activity, leaving the
victim without any ability to get to the truth unless their court case
is properly structured. To most of you who read this, it may seem impossible
the authorities are allowed to lie in consideration of what's being complained
about, but the issue has been decided in court cases that have found for
State authorities being allowed to lie while in pursuit of a “lawful investigation”
of a suspect/human subject; where in our case we are talking about the
authorities pursuit of a person who is a human experiment. Licensed with
the state professionals are not supposed to help or aid a victimized person
to expose the activity, professionals who don't want to go along could be
subject to retaliation by authorities, in being threatened with jail or loose
their license to enforce secrecy; such threats have no real weight and those
professionals that go along are guilty of conspiracy to defraud. That anybody
can have the State step in and seize them as their guardian by nominating
the person incompetent secretly without notice is inherently illegal and
on the opposing side supported that it is illegal by case law. The licensed
professionals are not free from responsibility, they are actionable and
not free from liability where they are silent or go along with authorities,
on the basis of the egregious nature of the actions authorized by authorities.
What is being done to people in the 50 states, is against their guaranteed
state Constitutions Civil Rights of persons. These are some of the reasons
for all the secrecy by authorities, being they can be stopped and the authorities
know that, their main objective is to keep victims from going to court and
that is their highest priority.
As victims we have been fighting for our lives trying
to stop the insidious atrocity in court, it is a fight critical and
crucial to saving our own lives, as well as to help save the lives of
many people in New York and throughout the United States where we win.
The two affected new Yorkers, John and Debbie have been diligent in
searching out a means to produce evidence where the evidence gathered
has not been dependent upon licensed authorities; as a part of their
evidence they have used a special advanced electronic test according to
an electromagnetic standard test of the Institute of Electrical and Electronics
Engineers, Inc., which is the world's leading professional association
for the advancement of technology, setting standards for industry and
governments around the world. They have gathered other evidences as well
to support their case.
How did we get to this depraved state of human rights
abuse and what can be done to reverse the trend of adoption of Nazi
like legal allowances to have our State Constitution Civil Rights of
persons of any state taken away. These actions of state authorities taking
away a person's rights without telling anyone that they are really stealing
the body and mind of a person to torture or kill them, is just like a judicial
secret star chamber of rogue judges deciding who lives and who dies. The
actions of authorities described in this article are a new form of corruption
for use by authorities in personal vendettas, legitimate activist assassinations,
money making, power and outright sadistic training of other authorities
to learn how to do an attack upon a person. That is an issue for the courts
to remedy you may think, well there are two people in Court in New York
who are also victims and as of this June 2nd 2010, they are attempting to
turn this extraordinary immoral activity around and make such vague laws
illegal through case law. The Plaintiffs in court being Deborah Lamb and
John Mecca are being egregiously affected with pain and suffering from electronic
torture by implanted devices, they are currently scheduled for a hearing
this July in Long Island New York, of their well supported and properly
organized case. You are asked to forward this article to all and anyone
whom you believe cares, who has lost hope, who can further spread the word
and to those who may want to attend the hearing to show support. Also we
need your Prayers that justice prevails and we win.
The next installment will be in a few days to a week!
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